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Hi all,

Robert thank you very much for your effort in the openscenegraph project, and for it's really high quality.it's a really great scene graph. I am wondering how you manage a family, openscenegraph free services (forum), and openscenegraph professional services. respect.

so the problem is quite complicated, i don't think that we need an other mailing-list, forum concept. osg-users, osg-submissions,... are enought, but what we should care about is that we should support robert in answering the mailing list of osg-users, also me included, i often read the question, but i rarely answer the topics. many of the question in osg-users aren't so complicated to answer, even we are not as expiered as robert is, but we all have enough expierence to support "younger" osg users in a fast uncomplicated way. if you have a look at the last 100 posts, it's mostly robert who answered some "stupid" questions, but we should support him.

I feel that robert should be our senior "supporter" / reviewer and for strategy question our responsable contact. so may in the future robert should get some other guys to support him in answering questions in osg-users. more complicated ones, we can also discuss with robert. because robert so really important for this project and we need him for reviews of new features (submissions).

Another important danger in this project is, what happens when something happens to robert (burn out, new business,..., ...) and his don't longer have time to spend as many time as he spend for the moment? is there in the big world an university, ... , who could support robert in reviewing, .. , .. to insure that in the worst case robert's life project never ends?

i like openscenegraph and its concept.

for all enjoy it,....

adrian

personal things : unfort i can not spend more time, unfort the 3d business is not so big in my country :-( but i try to work on and on ... even beside other projects :-) have fun.

2008/5/27 Paul Speed <pspeed@…>:

Robert Osfield wrote:

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Paul Melis <paul@…> wrote:

So... can we please keep suggestions very simple and non intrusive to

any ones current work schedules. Once things are on a more even keel work wise then it's a good time to dive into other complex topics. I'm not sure "very simple and non intrusive" is going to cut it, as

that might not make much (enough) of a difference. I'm not being negative here, just realistic (I think).

Like people answering support questions on osg-users a bit more promptly than usual, not leaving them for me to go chase up because it's fallen through the cracks. Not hassling me with discussions that don't need to happen now.

And with all due respect (and there are tons of respect for you), I think this is a two way street almost... you are in a different time zone than some of us. So let the stuff sit for more hours before you jump in. :) Personally, I've been following this list since 2002 or so. I'm amazed at the current level of support provided by the rest of the members when they are forced to do so (because you are on vacation or recuperating, etc.) Being the type myself, I know the draw to jumping into the fray and answering the questions (I'm that way on my own projects and at my day job) but it isn't always the most effective in the long run. -Paul (not one of the normal Pauls who post.:) ) _ osg-users mailing list osg-users@… http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org

-- ******************************************** Adrian Egli


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Hi all, <br><br>Robert thank you very much for your effort in the openscenegraph project, and for it&#39;s really high <a href="http://quality.it">quality.it</a>&#39;s a really great scene graph. I am wondering how you manage a family, openscenegraph free services (forum), and openscenegraph professional services. respect. <br>

<br>so the problem is quite complicated, i don&#39;t think that we need an other mailing-list, forum concept. osg-users, osg-submissions,... are enought, but what we should care about is that we should support robert <br> in answering the mailing list of osg-users, also me included, i often read the question, but i rarely answer the topics. many of the question in osg-users aren&#39;t so complicated to answer, even we are not as expiered as robert is, but we all have enough expierence to support &quot;younger&quot; osg users in a fast uncomplicated way. if you have a look at the last 100 posts, it&#39;s mostly robert who answered some &quot;stupid&quot; questions, but we should support him. <br> <br>I feel that robert should be our senior &quot;supporter&quot; / reviewer and for strategy question our responsable contact. so may in the future robert should get some other guys to support him in answering questions in osg-users. more complicated ones, we can also discuss with robert. because robert so really important for this project and we need him for reviews of new features (submissions). <br> <br>Another important danger in this project is, what happens when something happens to robert (burn out, new business,..., ...) and his don&#39;t longer have&nbsp; time&nbsp; to spend as many time as he spend for the moment? is there in the big world an university, ... , who could support robert in reviewing, .. , .. to insure that in the worst case robert&#39;s life project never ends? <br>

<br>i like openscenegraph and its concept. <br><br>for all enjoy it,....<br><br>adrian <br><br>personal things : unfort i can not spend more time, unfort the 3d business is not so big in my country :-( but i try to work on and on ... even beside other projects :-) have fun. <br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/27 Paul Speed &lt;<a href="mailto:pspeed@…">pspeed@…</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br>

<br> Robert Osfield wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Paul Melis &lt;<a href="mailto:paul@…" target="_blank">paul@…</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

So... can we please keep suggestions very simple and non intrusive to<br> any ones current work schedules. &nbsp;Once things are on a more even keel<br> work wise then it&#39;s a good time to dive into other complex topics.<br> <br> </blockquote> I&#39;m not sure &quot;very simple and non intrusive&quot; is going to cut it, as that<br> might not make much (enough) of a difference.<br> I&#39;m not being negative here, just realistic (I think).<br>

</blockquote> <br> Like people answering support questions on osg-users a bit more<br> promptly than usual, not leaving them for me to go chase up because<br> it&#39;s fallen through the cracks. &nbsp;Not hassling me with discussions that<br> don&#39;t need to happen now.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> And with all due respect (and there are tons of respect for you), I think this is a two way street almost... you are in a different time zone than some of us. &nbsp;So let the stuff sit for more hours before you jump in. :)<br>

<br> Personally, I&#39;ve been following this list since 2002 or so. &nbsp;I&#39;m amazed at the current level of support provided by the rest of the members when they are forced to do so (because you are on vacation or recuperating, etc.)<br>

<br> Being the type myself, I know the draw to jumping into the fray and answering the questions (I&#39;m that way on my own projects and at my day job) but it isn&#39;t always the most effective in the long run.<br> <br> -Paul (not one of the normal Pauls who post.:) )<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br> <br> _<br> osg-users mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:osg-users@…" target="_blank">osg-users@…</a><br> <a href="http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org" target="_blank">http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org</a><br>

</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>********************************************<br>Adrian Egli


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